tv The Rundown With Jose Diaz- Balart MSNBC May 13, 2015 6:00am-8:01am PDT
y. >> so we're all for a modern system of high-speed rail. >> yes we are. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around "the rundown" is next. buy mika's book "grow your value." it will also help you grow hair back. >> stop. >> i was bald. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. breaking news this morning. a deadly amtrak train derailment in philadelphia that has crippled travel along the busiest commuter rail line in the nation. this morning the death toll climbed from five to six and there could be more unaccounted for. 140 others injured. at least eight critically. seven cars plus the engine jumped off the tracks as it was going through a turn just before 9:30 last night. a total of 243 people were on board. take a look at this first passenger car. it's totally mangled and is now sitting perpendicular to the tracks. >> it happened literally in an instant.
all of a sudden i felt myself fly up in the train, sit back down, move forward, move back move forward, move back then there was just a loud loud crash. >> nbc news producer janelle richards was a passenger and captured the chaotic moments afterwards. passengers had to scramble out windows to escape. >> crawl forward, sir. keep crawling. come on man. >> i got you, okay? okay? keep crawling okay? >> train 188, the washington to new york run has just left its scheduled 9:07 p.m. stop at philadelphia's 13th street station headed north when at 9:28 p.m. the train derailed with such force it ripped the steel rails right from the tracks. the overhead electric wires were torn down. >> you saw it go like that you could feel it off the tracks when we just rolled and rolled and the next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit and i was outside and there were people screaming and
bleeding and we helped them out and they're okay now. >> former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy was in the cafe car and took some of these pictures. investigators from the national transportation safety board and the federal railroad administration are on scene right now. and in about two hours, that's 11:00 eastern time we're expecting to hear from amtrak officials as well as the governor of pennsylvania and the mayor of philadelphia. >> it is an absolute disastrous mess. never seen anything like this in my life. >> three quarters of a million people ride the amtrak to boston's northeast corridor everyday. service shut down entirely between philadelphia and new york. there's modified service between d.c. and philadelphia and new york and boston. we have a team of reporters in philadelphia. we begin with nbc's rehema ellis who is close to the crash scene in north philadelphia. rehema, good morning. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning, jose. you gave an excellent summary of what happened. now ntsb investigators are on
scene trying to figure out why it happened. they've got more than 20 people here at this crash scene which is just behind me maybe a few hundred yards on the other side of the emergency vehicles that you can see here. one of the things they're going to want to do is gather information from those recorders. the black boxes on trains are similar to the ones on airplanes. the investigators hope that they can pull that information even while they are here on site. in addition they brought three huge cranes on to this area. they are in position in an effort to try and untangle this tangled mess that has occurred as a result of this crash. we should also tell you the ntsb investigators will be looking to conduct witness interviews as soon as possible. they believe that if witnesses have an opportunity to linger too long before telling their story to authorities then their account and their memory of what happened starts to fade or becomes jumbled. another thing they'll be looking at as they try to figure out why this accident happened is they'll be looking into the
speed of the train, the throttle position, the braking. all of those things are very important. as this train was coming around a curve at the time that it derail derailed, or that is what we're led to believe. so much is going on. we're trying to figure out that in addition to making certain all the passengers who were on board this train, amtrak 188, that all of them got out or have been accounted for. jose? >> nbc's rehema ellis, thank you so much. i want to turn to msnbc's adam riess at the media staging area. adam, good morning, what's the latest from your perspective? >> good morning, jose, the critical search continues to see if anyone is left inside. the mayor said he can't be sure that everyone is accounted for so they've sent in search dogs and firemen with the jaws of life. those are hydraulics that can rip open the train shell that's already mangled to see if there are people inside or if there are more fatalities. the ntsb is on site as rehema mentioned. the fbi and the federal railroad
looking at the location to see speed. they'll be looking at speed. they'll be looking at where the brakes apply. they'll be talking to the conductor to see if he was in any way losing his sense as we saw in previous train crashes in new york. they say that these tracks will not be opened any time before the end of the week. jose? >> adam riess, thank you so much. i want to turn now to nbc's stephanie goss at temple university hospital. stephanie, good morning. >> good morning. you look at that crash scene and all seven of those cars off the tracks and you think about -- sorry, there's a train going overhead, i apologize. the fact that all seven of those cars went off the tracks there are no seat belts in amtrak trains and it doesn't take much to get knocked around and to imagine what must have happened in those cars when they were knocked around. we've heard the harrowing tales. that's why you have so many injured people from that train.
you had 140 that had to be looked at and doctors say a lot of the injuries what what you would imagine, broken bones, lacerations. here at the hospital where i am most of those people have been released. there are still at least eight people in critical condition. back to you. >> stephanie gosk thank you so much. we're just getting started on this very busy wednesday edition of "the rundown." we have all of the angles covered for you, from philadelphia the scene of last night's deadly train crash, we'll hear from survivors and passengers on the train. plus i'll take you up in the air to talk about the task of getting this northeast corridor back on track. and just to give you an idea of how busy this route is between washington and new york amtrak carries more than three times as many riders between those two cities as the airline industry. "the rundown" right back. stay with me. ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement?
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back now to breaking news in philadelphia. six dead in a train crash on the amtrak line between washington and new york. the pictures this morning, stunning as authorities search for possible additional victims. i want to go to nbc's tom costello who's been flying above the scene and has more on what it looks like from above. tom? >> good day, we are 2,000 feet above this train wreck and it is awful to see it from this altitude. you get a real sense of how terrible and how fast this event occurred with the trains literally twisted and broken and lying on their sides. we've got major cranes big cranes coming in today. they're going to lift up the trains. and they'll be trying to look for any more victims. they want to do a full accounting of everybody who was on that train.
the question is, did anybody not get out? is anybody underneath those train cars? they've had dogs coming in today, cadaver dogs already looking and trying to pick up any hint of any individual who might still be in that wreckage. now, fire rescue, as you know, went meticulously through the wreckage last night. so the real concern is is anybody underneath. they'll right the trains and looking if victims and then candidly they'll begin their investigation. this will take some time as you would expect because they have to go through all of the telemetry on board the black boxes on the train, they've got to do a full analysis looking at speed, looking at how the train went through that curve. they want to look at the condition of the tracks they want to look at the bleels on swheels on board the train. then they need to look at the blood toxicology report on the engineers and conductors. was there any sign there were alcohol or drugs involved? that's a normal part of this investigation investigation. that does not suggest that this
crew in any way did anything wrong but they have to begin eliminating everything and it's a very very long process. in the meantime, this busy northeast corridor that stretches from washington, d.c. up to philly up to new york and up to boston is really slow today because they've shut down all of the northeast rail traffic between philadelphia and new york. so that's going to be a very big inconvenience for many tens of thousands of travelers who rely on the northeast corridor everyday. the mayor saying he expects that this particular stretch of the northeast corridor will probably be out of commission for the better part of the week. so the investigation now is going to be looking at exactly how did this happen. how did these seven rail cars come off the tracks just north of philadelphia and is there any hint at all that there was a mechanical issue, that there was a human factor involved. it will be a very long investigation. and tom costello over philadelphia, back to you. >> tom, thank you very much. joining me live on the phone from philadelphia is jeff cutler
who was in the second car in the back of the train when it derailed. thank you for being with me, jeff, appreciate it. >> happy to be here. >> describe what happened last night. >> well, from my point of view, i was riding in the quiet car and we were north of philadelphia and seeming to go around a curve and the train flew off the curve. and i guess chaos ensued. there was a lot of rattling of stuff in the car. >> jeff you say it was turning. did you sense anything unusual? anything different? >> i do not. some people have been asking if the train was accelerating too fast around that curve, but i wouldn't have been able to tell. but it did seem to be going quite fast and once the car started turning and turning off
the curve, it sort of floatingeded for a brief second and you knew something bad was going to happen. >> so you felt the train fly in the air? >> i did. >> and tell me how that scene -- a lot of folks that have experienced something like that. let's talk about it as if it were -- in fast motion and slow motion at the same time if that can be a good way of describing it. how would you describe it? >> i was very conscious of that actually. and as the event unfolded the -- i just kind of didn't resist. i sort of let my body go with whatever the situation was taking it and i didn't bleed, i didn't have any head injury or -- i didn't go unconscious. but i was stuck in what was probably a near upside down position and had to extricate
myself from that. >> and talk to me about the other people that you saw, how they were getting out and i know there were a lot of people helping other people as well. >> yeah, you saw that and most people stayed calm. on one side of me there was a gentleman and a lady who i don't believe were traveling together didn't know each other and they were caught in the space where -- similar to where i was caught individually only they were tangled up and the woman was in something of a panic and he was trying to calm her down. they were in the middle of the car so the responders would have gotten to them fairly late after the rest of us were gone and i think they were trapped. they had to be pulled out by some major means. >> jeff how often -- have you taken this route before? how often have you taken it? >> i had occasion to be in
washington for two days for conferences. i was covering them as a journalist and i do this every -- a handful of times a year. obviously nothing like this ever happened before. >> sure. more than 140 injured, six confirmed dead. describe to me the scene right after and how you felt, what you saw, what you sensed. we've got some video, by the way, jeff of some of the folks that filmed some of it moments after the incident occurred. how would you describe it? >> i wouldn't say there was total chaos, but there was a sense of urgency all over the place. by the time i got out of the car -- and i was one of the last people to crawl out -- i was behind a woman who broke a leg and she was taken care of first. i was escorted i was sort of carried, supported across the tracks to the other side.
i didn't have shoes on. i lost my shoes so i had to walk on some rocks so that was a little uncomfortable. when i got to the staging area where all the passengers were being triaged i felt pretty okay and i sort of took a seat on the ground and i said "i'm not terribly wounded here." and they gave me a -- i think it was a green tag to signify that i was not the most serious hurt. but while i was sitting there it started occurring to me that i had some pains and aches that were more than -- that needed to be checked out, especially in my left leg and they upgraded me to the number two triage the yellow, and i was escorted with about six others in the back of a police van to temple university hospital. but we were in the -- in a van similar to what they would transport prisoners in.
>> jeff, thank you so much for being with me. i so appreciate your time. i'm glad you're doing well. thank you. >> thank you. i want to bring in nbc news prix deucer janelle richards who was on one of the train cars that ended up upright after the crash. janelle, good morning, thanks for being with me. >> good morning. >> so glad you're okay. describe what you felt and what you saw? >> i, when i was riding on the train, i heard a loud crash and i felt the impact. i mean, i flung forward and then back and forward again and back and i could see people kind of getting lifted out of their seats and i knew that we had crashed. but obviously i didn't know how or why or really what had happened. >> and janelle, you never know something like this is going to occur but did you sense anything previous to this crash that you described? did you sense anything?
was the train doing anything unusual? >> no it wasn't. it wasn't. it felt like a normal amtrak train ride and i think myself and probably everybody else is completely shocked that this happened. >> yeah, you know i did mention your train ended up upright and you were able to get off on your own. talk to me about how people were reacting. there were some that were not as lucky as you. >> right. people that i was around they were very shocked. people were asking what happened, how do we get off of this train? they were saying there's smoke, there's smoke, we need to get off of here. and people were trying to get the exit door closest to me open. >> how busy was the train? how full was it? >> when i got on the train in washington it was very full. because i remember getting in line early and looking behind me
and the line stretched out really really far behind me. so i think when we got on the train in d.c. it was very full. by the time we got to philly my car, i'm sure had thinned out. and i'm not sure about the rest of the train since people come on and off, obviously, throughout the trip from d.c. to new york. >> and janelle, talk to me about the response. how quick was it? what did you see? >> when we got off of the train we were standing in gravel in the trees, kind of as far away from the train as we could. people were just kind of shouting to stay back stay back. they weren't sure about the electric poles, if they could chip in. they didn't know if the tracks -- if something electrical would happen with them. and it felt like forever but i'm sure the response time you know was as fast as it could have been in that situation.
but i knew -- after a couple of minutes i started to see lights in the sky which were profrom helicopters so i knew that someone knew where we were and shortly after they heard sirens and i knew that help was on the way. it's the first sign after was when i looked over out into what seemed like the woods but what was really a fence and there were over a dozen flashlights aimed in our direction. that's all we could see were these little dots of light. that's how i knew first responders were here and ithey just started to drill. so sparks were flying from the fence as they cut it down to come get us. >> janelle, speaking with jeff who was in another train car than you were but on that train last night, he was saying that there was -- he didn't sense any panic, even among the people that were injured, those that were helping the others, that people were very nervous and scared and concerned but no sense of panic.
>> i would -- i think there was panic a sense of -- maybe it was just shock. people were definitely asking "what happened? what happened?" and i remember kind of hearing somebody crying or getting a little hysterical. but for what had happened i do agree with that. i think everyone was in shock more than anything and that the hysteria didn't probably set in until hopefully people had gotten off of the train and were able to process what had happened. >> nbc news producer janelle richards. thank you for being with me. so appreciate your time so glad you're doing well. >> thank you. >> our coverage of the train derailment continues after a quick break. coming up, we expect to talk to former congressman patrick murphy who was also on that train last night. here eerps what here's what he had to say just an hour ago. >> let me ask you, based upon your experience and your life thus far, how frustrated, how
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the accident occurred while the train was headed to new york along the busiest rail line in north america. amtrak's northeast corridor carries more than 2,200 every single day. and today much of the area is seeing modified service. operations between philadelphia and new york are completely shut down. nbc's tom costello has more on what happened when the train jumped the tracks. >> keep crawling okay? >> reporter: in the dark smoke, and chaos -- >> go go. >> reporter: -- passengers crawled and clawed their way out of their mangled train cars into a scene of confusion, some in shock, others left lying on the tracks amidst the twisted metal barely identifiable as a train. >> our car just started to go over the right. i brace mid-arm against. >> it it's a disastrous mess. >> reporter: firefighters were forced to use hydraulics and cut into the train to rescue
passengers and crew members trapped inside after the engine and all seven cars derailed three turned on their sides, one nearly resting on its roof. >> it's a dangerous situation for responders and more dangerous for the riders down there. >> reporter: train 188 the washington to new york run, left its scheduled 9:07 p.m. stop at philadelphia's 30th street station headed north when at 9:28 p.m. the train derailed with such force it ripped the steel rails right from the tracks. the overhead electrical wires torn down. it happened at this curve on amtrak's heavily traveled northeast corridor. >> we just rolled and rolled and next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit and i was outside and there are people screaming and bleeding. >> reporter: now investigators are just beginning to look for clues. among their questions, was the train traveling too fast? >> there is a curve, we have no idea what kind of speed we're talking about, what else happened out there. >> reporter: among those trapped on the train, former
pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy capturing the train's cafe car turned on its side and nbc news producer janelle richards. this morning, the worst amtrak train accident in more than a decade and it's still too early to know what happened and why. >> and as we've been telling you, amtrak train 188 was bound for new york. new york mayor bill de blasio reacted on "morning joe" today. >> i have 160 bridges in new york city that are over 100 years old. we have the challenge everyday of just keeping the basics together. our subway system had a day last year where we got six million riders in a single day. this country has to invest in infrastructure the way other countries do. we put 1.77% in our infrastructure. china puts 9%. it's no wonder we're being beat economically in many areas of competition because other parts of the world are investing in
infrastructure so they can have a modern economy. >> this tragedy in philadelphia happened along amtrak's northeast corridor, the busiest railroad in north america. joins me to walk through the numbers about the corridor is msnbc's amanda sakuma. amanda, good morning. >> good morning, jose thanks. we want to show you numbers that will put this into perspective. the train line linking washington, philly, new york and boston is the busiest passenger line in the country. that number is 750,000 passengers everyday. all those passengers are carried on more than 2,200 trains everyday as well. no surprise here if you've been in new york's penn station, it's the busiest station, not just the corridor where this train was heading but in the country. that's followed by washington, d.c. and philadelphia. to put train travel into perspective, other forms of transportation between the nation's capital and new york city amtrak carries more than three times as many riders as the entire airline industry.
>> that's amazing three times as many. >> three times. >> amanda sakuma thank you for being with me. we've been hearing from crash survivors and witnesses since last night. here's what some of them had to say about what they went through in their own words. >> we were sitting there, then it just -- you saw it go like that, swung, you could feel it off the tracks and then we just rolled and rolled. >> all of a sudden we're on our side and it looked like we were going to flip. we never flipped. we went on to the side and back off the side. >> fit like the brakes were hit hard. our car, we were third from the last slowly started going over to the right so i braced many i arm against it. >> next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit and i was outside and there were people screaming and bleeding and we helped them out and they're okay now.
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in some of the videos from last night's crash, you can hear passengers pleading for help to help get out of the train. so how would you get out of a train crash like this? nbc's jeff rawson has more on that. >> hi, jose these accidents happen so fast. one passenger on that amtrak train in philadelphia overnight saying they started shaking, then suddenly just like that the train was off the rails. and it does happen that fast. you need to commit certain tips to memory so when something happens you know how to escape and these accidents are happening more often than you think. today here are tips to help you get out alive. . right now, officials in philadelphia trying to figure out what went wrong. combing over the twisted wreckage from this latest accident. passengers killed dozens of others rushed to hospitals when this amtrak train derailed and flipped over. photos inside capturing the chaos, the smoke, the terror.
>> just rolled and rolled and next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit and i was outside and there were people screaming and bleeding. >> and train accidents are in the news happening across the country. just months ago in february this deadly metro-north crash in new york. six killed more than a dozen hurt when the train slammed into an suv on the tracks and exploded. check out this dramatic video from inside a train crash just outside orlando. it demolished a new sports coupe. the car stalled on a railroad crossing just before the gates came down. the driver got out with second to spare. and in glendale california an suv stuck on the tracks caused this commuter train to derail hitting trains on both sides of it killing 11 people. according to the federal railroad administration more than 230 people were killed in nearly 2,100 collisions nationwide last year alone. in this latest crash in
philadelphia, the stories and the videos emerging. desperate passengers struggling to escape. >> keep crawling stock? >> where am i crawling to? >> reporter: yelling in the dark for help frantically trying to pry open the doors. >> go, go go. >> help me. >> reporter: if this were your train, would you know how to get out? >> in an emergency there are three ways to get out. >> reporter: scott sawer ersauer is the safety expert for philadelphia's regional trail service. >> if you see the energy sign you can open the main door of the train you came in on and follow those instructions. >> so even if the conductor or engineer are too busy to open the door you can open it yourself. >> absolutely. >> reporter: can i try? >> yes. >> reporter: so just lift and pull over the ring and push this red handle down and the door is released. and i can open it the rest of the way. this is a big drop here so you want to be careful getting out. overnight, reports of passengers on that amtrak train trying to open the windows to escape.
here's how you do it. >> in every train car there's emergency exit windows. take the handle pull it pull the rubber from around that window, discard it grab the handle, pull the window towards you then you can go out the window. remember, it's still a seven to eight-foot drop to the ground. be aware of that. >> reporter: in most train crash there is's fire and smoke. how do you get out alive when you can't even see? recently we filled this car with simulated smoke to show you. >> it's going to be chaotic. you want to get on the floor. this is where you can breathe. get down here and follow the striping on the floor. we have glow in the dark striping on the floor that will take you where you need to go. get to the door or the end of the car where your exit is. >> reporter: one other tip, count the number of rows between you and the nearest exit, that way if it is smokey inside the train you can count down and feel your way out. in this latest case experts say the carnage was so devastating, crash was so violent that a lot
of these cars were on their sides, one was almost entirely upside down. for some passengers who died there was little if anything they could do. in general you should commit exr, experts say, these tips to memory to help you gut get out alive. >> jeff rawson thank you so much. we've seen several commuter train crashes in the past couple of years. in february we covered a metro-north train collision with a car on the tracks. six people were killed in that accident. frances rivera joins me after the break with a look at some of these crashes. but first i want to give you this important phone number for those passengers and families affected by the philadelphia train derailment. amtrak has set up this emergency line. you see it on your screen it's 1-800-523-9101. that's amtrak's emergency line. we'll be right back.
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we continue to follow breaking news out of philadelphia. last night's amtrak train crash happened shortly after 9:00 p.m. eastern time at a big curve in the tracks known as frankford junction. the passengers say the ride was smooth until the train suddenly actually literally jumped off the tracks. we're joined now by msnbc contributor and former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy. he was riding in the cafe car when the derailment occurred. congressman, what a pleasure to see you. >> thanks jose. i'm a lucky guy to be here. >> it really is such a -- how do you describe what happened? >> jose it was a normal washington-to-new york train ride. i'm in the cafe car which, as you know has seating and tables you can work at and i was working there, senator tom carper was at the next table over. he got off at the wilmington accident, we went to
philadelphia, my stop was the next stop in trenton, new jersey. i wanted to go see my kids before they fell asleep and everything was fine until, you know you heard this violent vibration happen then the car went to the left banked to the left and then immediately to the right. tripped over and our car i believe jackknifed out and so everyone on my side of the car, the left side of the car, who was tipped over to the right, flew over kind of head first into the other side of the train car. >> you took some pretty dramatic pictures of people escape it can train. tell us what happened afterwards? >> well it was pretty -- there was just jose a lot of debris a lot of dust people were screaming, crying i just frankly checked my arms and legs to make sure that they were still there working and i got myself up a little bit and the
guy next to me was unconscious so i sat him up and slapped his face a little bit and said "hey brother, brother, get up." he finally came to. and above me was one of the side windows is now on the roof so i pulled myself up on to the bench area so i could stand up and reach it. then i just punched out the win i do and then people saw it was really dark jose so i got people to -- a lot of people were just flipping out to get out so i kind of helped a couple people get out and i stayed there -- there were people that couldn't move and they were bleeding pretty bad so i made sure to apply pleasure to their wounds and make sure they would be okay and then i climbed over the canteen area of the cafe car, checked on the amtrak worker, she was running around like a pinball, she was obviously not -- uncomfortable
and shaken up bad and people were crying in the other cars. one guy couldn't feel anything he couldn't feel his legs or arms so worried one guy that was delirious, he was bleeding profusely from different places so i sat him down, put pressure on his wounds, then that's when once it was somewhat settled, i could hear the responders coming closer. i got my phone out, texted my wife, hey, jenny, i'm okay i'm on the train. i'll call you when i can, i took a couple pictures, put them on twitter. waited for the first responders to come. >> was it quick, patrick, the response? >> it was. those philadelphia police officers and firefighters were amazing. there was live wires, jose on the tracks that they didn't hesitate. you know, some people want to bust their chops when danger calls, that's who you call and they did not hesitate. i'm sure they were worried and
afraid, but they didn't show it. for them to climb up on top of the side of the car and look down, one of them was a fire captain, philadelphia fire captain, i know him, this is my neighborhood in northeast philadelphia. he said, hey congressman, you all right? i said i'm all right. how many bodies? 11 bodies in here everyone's okay two over there pretty serious. they called his team brought stretchers in, attended to them and started eded trying to escort the rest of us out. i feel very blessed to be here. >> congressman, as we talk i want to show the live pictures at the podium area set up not really a podium actually in the middle of the street there in philadelphia. we're expecting the mayor to speak to us about nine minutes from now. we will of course carry that conference for you live as you see the fire truck pass by. that is going to be happening in about nine minutes. patrick, i want to go back to you. you know it's 9:30 p.m. you say, you know it's dark it
must be of such comfort to you that you had that army training you know and you were able to assist and help out. how would you describe the scene, what were you hearing, what were you feeling, what were you seeing sensing, during those minutes after the train literally flew off the tracks? >> frankly, jose when you see the best and the worst of people. people stepping over other people just to get out themselves. helped them up it is what it is. in the military we leave no one behind. i wanted to make sure we helped people hurt that couldn't get out and wait for the firefighters to get there, there were doing the best they could to help. >> patrick all the lighting was out, was there spoke? in other words what was the
visibility inside? >> it was very dusty, there was debris everywhere and things busted within the cab. it was hard to see. you could see a little more light, but it was, you know wasn't pitch dark black, but people were coughing because there was debris and people choking on the dust and whatever. you know it was really tragic. you know my heart goes out to those six people who were killed and the dozens and dozens that are in critical condition. i know how lucky i am to be able to go home and kiss my wife and two kids. >> patrick, you and i share we both have two kids my case 7 and 11 years old, i know that is something paramount in your heart and thoughts when something like this happens. we're so lucky, you're so lucky, and the fact that you were able to help other people there means
so much. 140 plus hurt eight in critical condition. you were able to get home last night. how long before you got home? >> i got home about 3:30 in the morning. so i slept for about an hour then, you know, i was on "morning joe," got called in at 6:00, they asked me to come here, so i came here you know i just really want to give a shoutout, i helped what i could and did what i could, but the real heros were the cops and firefighters and the people who stayed behind to help others were the heros. >> patrick murphy thank you for being with me. thank you, glad you're doing well. >> thank you. >> this is unfortunately just one of a line of tragedies on the commuter rails around the world recently. francis rivera joins me this morning to walk us through some of those incidents. >> jose nice to see you, some
of them happening recently. this tragedy in philadelphia is one commuter rail to make headlines recently around the world. let's walk you through some of them. take a look at this. this was the scene just last monday in mexico city near the international airport after two metro trains collided. an investigation there found that quote, double human error on the part of the train operator caused that crash that left at least 12 people injured. back here at home we all remember this from february 24th i should say, in austin california when a commuter train collided a train engineer later died from his injuries. just a few days earlier in switzerland two trains collided leaving one derailed near the german border. five people were injured and one seriously. here in new york six people died when a crowded metro north train hit a car in the tracks back in february. in this case here at least 12
people were hurt. in 2013 in the bronx, take a look at this powerful image with the train off the tracks metro north train derailed engineer fell asleep just before the train sped around this curve here at 82 miles an hour. that curve that was meant to be taken at 30 miles an hour. four people died and at least 61 people were hurt in this incident here. and overseas in spain that same year, another horrific tragedy in brazil all eight came off the tracks because the train was speeding at 95 miles along a 50 mile per hour stretch. 79 people were killed and at least 141 people were hurt. the driver jose, was later charged with a homicide. a long list of these incidents. very, very tragic horrific now we have one to add, that of amtrak 188. jose? >> francis, thank you very much. our continuing coverage
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we continue to follow the breaking news on the deadly amtrak derailment in philadelphia. any moment now we are expecting to get an update from the mayor of philadelphia. the picture on the right you see there is the makeshift area that's been set up to hold the news conference. mayor michael nutter and other city officials are expected to speak about the very latest. that's frankford avenue in philadelphia. we're going to bring you that live. i wanted to give you the latest numbers, there's six people now
confirmed dead more than 140 injured after train 188 jumped off the tracks and crashed just before 9:30 last night. on the left are live aerials. the chopper, again, up over the crash scene, the washington to new york train had just left its scheduled 9:07 stop at philadelphia's 30th street station. it was headed north when about 9:28 p.m. you can see the animation there, the train derailed with such force it actually ripped the steel rails right from the track and also ripped the overhead electric wires. three quarters of a million people drive the amtrak to boston northeast corridor every day. service is shut down entirely from philadelphia to new york. there is modified service between d.c. and philadelphia and new york to boston. we're going to go live to that press conference when it does begin, but i've got a team of folks in philadelphia right now to bring you the latest developments. i want to begin with nbc's rehema ellis.
rehema good morning, what's the very latest? >> reporter: good morning, jose. what we can tell you is what's going on right now is that there are teams of investigators on the site which is behind me just a short distance over my shoulder there, that the action is happening, and they are going through what's left of this train. in addition, they are trying to remove this rubble. you pointed out the twisted, mangled remains of the train. and the ntsb investigators, something like 20 or more on the scene right now, they are trying to gather the information. one of the things seems it was very normal this thing happened without warning. so investigators are going to try to find out is there anything they can learn from this. they want to gather the recording. there is a recording box on trains, much like there is a black box on airplanes. they want to retrieve any and all information that can get them that to see if there's something they can learn from this to prevent it from
happening again. they also want to talk to eyewitnesss as soon as possible because investigators say it's important to get a fresh account of eyewitnesss as soon as they can before they get tainted by other people's impressions. other thing they are going to try and do jose is find out what the speed of this train was at that time the throttle position, the braking position and all of those things will have an impact in helping them come to a conclusion about not only what happened here but why it happened. jose? >> rehema ellis, thank you so much. i want to go to adam marreese at the media staging area. good morning. >> good morning, jose. the search still continues, the mayor says he can't be sure everyone is accounted for so they sent in search dogs hydraulics that can rip through the wreckage to see if there are more survivors or fatalities also cranes inside.
there are three cranes lifting the cars righting them up on to the tracks. also the ntsb are there, there with other investigators from amtrak, they are looking at the flight data recorder rather the engineer recorder to see about speed, about brakes about what position the car was in where the tracks were how much damage was done to the tracks also talk to the conductor to see what condition he was in and conduct toxicology tests. the mayor says these tracks will not be ready by the end of this week and the ntsb will probably have preliminary results in a day or two, but don't expect final results for several weeks or could be as many as several months jose? >> thank you very much. i want to bring in california republican congressman jeff den denham. congressman, thank you for being with me. congressman, i only want to give you advanced warning that when the mayor of philadelphia does begin, i'm going to have to
interrupt you to go to him, but thank you for being with me this morning. >> absolutely thanks for having me jose. >> give me your initial reaction to this crash. what do you feel are critical issues here? >> you know certainly a horrific crash, we're praying for the families that both lost loved ones as well as those that have been hurt in this crash. i think the big question is how, how can this happen? you know we are looking at the safety aspect of this. we've held a number of different hearings in the committee that i share and we're looking into this horrific crash to make sure not only do we know how, but make sure it never happens again. >> i want to play what deborah hersman said today about infrastructure spending. take a listen. yeah, that was the wrong video, i apologize, congressman, but as we await the news conference the question is are american rails safe and are we in the
country doing enough to keep them maintained and it seems as though there's not a lot of infrastructure investment in new rails. >> that's certainly on dedicated right-of-way. most of our passenger rail travels on the freight rail system and the freight rail continues to upgrade their systems at capacity but certainly here where we have the northeast corridor we've just recently passed the passenger rail reauthorization bill. we want to make sure that the process on the northeast corridor actually go to improving that infrastructure. that bill currently sits in the senate. the president has already sent a letter of support. we want to see that bill get signed into law and see that funding available to continue to upgrade that track they have in the northeast corridor. >> where's the funding not in the past? hasn't gone to the rail it seems, right? >> it has spread across the entire united states so a lot of long haul routes it would
subsidize different areas across the country, while not maintaining some of the critical infrastructure that amtrak actually owns. >> congressman jeff denham thank you for being with me appreciate your time. >> absolutely thank you. i want to bring in connecticut senator richard blumenthal what a pleasure to see you. >> great to be with you, thank you. >> your reaction first to this horrible tragedy. >> my reaction first, my thoughts and prayers go to the families of the injured and the unfortunate fatalities but also absolute horror and outrage that this absolutely avoidable tragedy could have been prevented by sufficient investment, and i've long advocated more investment. we spend a pittance of what's necessary. this route is the busiest in the country, vital to the economy, every state along it including most prominently new york and connecticut and the failure to invest in safety and reliability
undermines the confidence and trust in the public in riding the rails, using it for freight, as well as commuting. so my hope is that like the bridgeport derailment, like all of the tragedies we've seen this will build momentum for more investment. >> senator, i'm wondering why there hasn't been investment on this. as you said, this is the busiest rail area in the country. it's certainly, you know it's used by tens of thousands of people every single day. why is it essentially been forgotten, or not even dealt with? >> that is the question of the moment, and it ought to be on the tongue of everyone in washington who works in this building and congress. and the answer i think is that we've neglected all of our infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, our ports. we spend a fraction of what other industrialized countries spend as a proportion of their gdp, as well as for example,
china, but i think it is the result of a culture, lack of commitment to safety and reliability on the part of the railroads, but also in congress among leaders, and so my hope is that the calls that i've issued will now have some resonance, attraction, and we'll do more. >> richard blumenthal, thank you for being with me. joined now by the former mayor of philadelphia and governor of pennsylvania, ed rendell, good to see you. i know you manage so many crises as mayor and as governor. let me get your reaction to what's happened. >> well, i think the city and mayor nutter's folks are doing a great job managing this crisis great job on search and rescue and getting people to the hospitals last night. so the city's response has been terrific, but i would love to get your republican congressman back. he told you they were going to dedicate amtrak's profits, but
what he didn't tell you is the republican budget proposal cuts transportation funding by 22% and cuts tens of millions of dollars from amtrak's budget. we cannot keep short changing infrastructure. senator blumenthal is absolutely right, if we want to prevent these things from happening, and remember, our infrastructure boston to washington amtrak the track that is curved almost everywhere, it's curved so badly, even though the asella can average 150 miles an hour on that route it only does 80 miles an hour because it's so dangerous because of the curved tracks. we've got to get a dedicated high speed rail line. this country has invested throughout its entire history in its own growth and we've got to stop this idea that permeates in washington that spending revenue is always bad. we've got to invest we've got to grow we've got to maintain our public safety we've got to become more economically
competitive. it is a joke what's going on. >> governor doesn't it seem to you as though a cutback on amtrak or on the infrastructure is one issue and that's being currently talked about, but hasn't there been any investment over the years? hasn't there been any improvement over the years? before the cutback, where is the evidence that these things are taken seriously in this country? >> well they were taken seriously many times during the country's history. jefferson build the erie canal because he knew we needed it for economic growth. lincoln in the middle of the civil war built the transatlantic railroad system and dwight eisenhower built our highway system but we stopped investing because we're scared to tell people you can raise revenue for things that matter things that change our quality of life. in pennsylvania jose a republican governor with a republican legislature, and i
helped the republican governor i stood by his side on this we raised the gas tax over five years 28 cents a gallon 28 cents a gone and in the election after the vote not one legislator, republican or democrat who voted for the gas tax increase was defeated because people understand that we've got to do something. the problem is senator blumenthal said he hopes this tragedy will spur action but when the bridge collapsed in minnesota, remember we were all fired up got to do something about our infrastructure. two weeks later, boom that dissipated. we've got to take this seriously. we need a ten-year infrastructure revitalization program in this country and we need it now. >> listen one of the issues i hear over and over again by people i talk to on a daily basis throughout this country is this, you know what, yes, if i knew that the taxes i am being asked to pay, the increases, would be going directly to something that i'm going to see the actual effects of is one
thing, but a lot of times a lot of people say you know what seems as though politicians talk about this, utilize these kinds of incidents to say we need to put more investment in this i'm going to charge you more then it still doesn't go to it. >> well let me give you an example. when i was governor amtrak came to me and said we want to speed up the harrisburg to philadelphia railroad line and it now takes two hours, we want to cut it to an hour and a half we want $75 million from the state of pennsylvania, we'll match it. i did it and in three years our ridership went from 898,000 to over 1.5 million. if we build it and build it right, people will use it. and you're absolutely right, people have this theory that they see the big dig or digs to nowhere, but we've got to find a way to do it and guarantee that investment will generate good things, and it can and it has in the past. the american infrastructure was best in the world 12 years ago.
we now rank 24th best in the world. >> governor i see the officials are coming over to the podium. this is in philadelphia we're expecting mayor nutter and other officials, there you see them. governor, stand by, thank you for being with me. >> everyone ready? all right. we have a number of updates. thank you for your patience. as we indicated last night and this will probably be a standard operating procedure for some time there is preliminary
information this is an ongoing investigation, there are some things we know there are many things we do not know at this time, and we will not speculate on any of those things as you all know. first, let me introduce you to a few of our partners who are here with us now. i mentioned to you earlier this morning we were anticipating the arrival of the national transportation safety board, their members are on the ground now in board member robert zumelt and vice chairperson denzar. for amtrak board chairman anthony cotza, director of operations, chief of amtrak police, chief hanson and deputy chief troutman. on the ntsb side they have
approximately seven personnel on the ground with more personnel coming. they are represented in the form of investigator in charge chief of railroad division that would be mike flanagan and georgette gregory respectively operations investigator, and human performance investigator. we have full cooperation from all the agencies of course that were here last night. philadelphia fire department, police department, department of homeland security within the police department and other federal agencies working with us. septa police as well and a number of other agencies. this is a fully coordinated operation. everyone understands their role we train for these kinds of incidents, although every one of these incidents, and this is a tragedy, are very different. again, from last night, we can only confirm that unfortunately, we have six deceased. we have transported now hundreds
of people to various hospitals. sam philips can give you more details in that regard. we also need to get out information about how people can contact or find out about any of the individuals who were on the train and to the extent that we have information about them obviously, they'll get that information, as well. sam philips is going to come up and give you some of that information, then you'll hear from ntsb their respective as well as amtrak. we'll come back with any wrap-up information, open up to questions, we'll answer what we can answer. everything still at this point, 12-plus hours into this tragic event is still preliminary information and subject to change. with that sam philips, director of emergency management for the city of philadelphia. sam? >> thanks mayor. there's a few things i want to go over. our focus today is to gather all of the patient data that we have. we're dealing with lots of different types of manifest one
from the railroad and also from our hospital community. our hospitals treated over 200 patients last night and this morning. we are in the process of making sure everybody is accounted for, so we have a couple of things we need help with. one, if you are looking for somebody or need information about somebody please call amtrak's 1-800-number 1-800-523-9101. again, 1-800-523-9101. if you were on the train and are doing well please call in and report that to amtrak so that we can link that data together. we do have a friends and relatives center opened at 3400 frankford avenue. we're going to keep that open for the bulk of today, but we will eventually be transitioning to a full family assistance center operation that amtrak will be running and that will be located at a hotel, more information will be coming on
that. again, please share information with us so we can do our job making sure everybody's accounted for. thanks. >> thank you, sam. board member will now speak on behalf of ntsb. board member? >> mayor nutter thank you very much. my name is robert sumwalt, and as mayor nutter said i'm a board member with the national transportation safety board, and we have had investigators arriving on scene between 4:00 and 5:00 this morning, and we've continued to be arriving from washington throughout the morning. certainly, before i go any further i'd like to express our sincere condolences for all of those who have been affected by this tragedy. our sincere condolences and thoughts and prayers go out to all of them. as mayor nutter said we've brought a multidisciplinary team in here that will be covering a number of issues. we're looking at the track, the
train signals, the operation of the train, the mechanical condition of the train, human performance. we are setting up a multidisciplinary investigation to try and understand the factors that led to this accident. in addition we've brought in experts from the ntsb's office of transportation disaster assistance, who will be assisting those family members who have been affected by this tragedy. we will be holding an organizational meeting at noon today. that is where we establish parties to the investigation and establish our investigative protocols, and i can tell you that the federal railroad administration will be a part of our investigation. we will work very closely with them. we will work closely with amtrak as well as the city of philadelphia. we will be providing -- my goal is to provide you with factual information as we have it and
we do plan to be able to hold a press briefing later this afternoon. i would encourage you to follow us at twitter and our handle is @ntsb, and my goal is to be able to provide you with factual information as we learn it. as mayor nutter said we will not be speculating while we are here. we've got a lot of work that needs to be done but we will be providing you information as we learn it. i would like to thank all of the first responders. i can tell you firsthand that we do have a good relationship with the mayor's office. we worked with mayor nutter's office in philadelphia in a duck boat accident that occurred in july of 2010 we've got a good working relationship and we appreciate all the courtesies and assistance you're providing. i'll step aside. back to mayor nutter. thank you. >> additionally, as board member indicated, because of the great work of the philadelphia fire department and jesse wilson is
in command, the fire department is in charge of this scene, as well as the support from the philadelphia police department working with ntsb the -- whatever is comparable as we know it often referred to as a black box, that has been recovered. it is now in the amtrak operations center in delaware for analysis. we have no information from that particular device at all, because it is currently being analyzed by the experts. now we'll hear from amtrak board member and board chairman. >> thank you mayor. let me first start by saying how deeply saddened we all are at amtrak for the loss of life that occurred on train 188 in north philadelphia last evening. our first major priority will be our customers and our employees who have been affected by this tragedy.
we've established an 800-number and we're in the process of right now standing up a family assistance center here in philadelphia. a thorough investigation will take place from this incident led by the ntsb and amtrak will do everything in its power to assist in that investigation and has brought every resource in the company's ability to support that effort. this is the amtrak family. we are very saddened by what's occurred and will do everything in our power to work with the mayor's office the ntsb and all authorities to do everything possible dealing with this tragedy. thank you. >> can you spell your name? >> on the mic, can you spell your name. >> coscia. >> thank you. >> i think as you can see, given the level of representation i want to first and foremost thank the ntsb sending a board member here which, i know is part of their standard protocol but they have arrived in a
tremendously timely fashion. having the board chair and other personnel, but the board chairman of amtrak on scene again, demonstrates the level of concern and commitment that amtrak is demonstrating, as well as ntsb. all of our other partners who are here on site again, level of coordination here is superior, and we will continue to do all that we can until we are assured that we've accounted for all of the people we believe were on that train. with all those members having spoken lastly on behalf of the entire city of philadelphia and other individuals that i talked to or have communicated with mayor murielle bauser in washington, d.c., who i talked to last night, the potential of washington, d.c. residents being on that train is certainly possible as it was a
washington -- started train to new york city, as well as communicated with mayor bill de blasio in new york city as well since that was the termination point with an expectation there would have been new york city residents, as well. on behalf of a million and a half people here in the city of philadelphia, we also express our deepest sorrow we will do everything we can to assist families who have loved ones on that particular train in whatever their circumstance and condition, but certainly with the six confirmed deceased we are heartbroken at what has happened here. we've not experienced anything like this in modern times, and we will get to the bottom of it and figure out what happened, why it happened but that will take some time. with that, we'll be glad to try to answer questions you have. >> how many are unaccounted for
right now? >> is anyone still missing? >> let me just give you an additional piece of information. governor wolf who many of you well know was here last night, ordered state flags to be at half-mast and i have issued a similar order for philadelphia flags, as well out of respects to the victims. >> has the search of the train cars -- has that been completed or still in process? >> still in process. i was just at the site ten minutes ago. >> how many are missing or unaccounted for? >> we don't have an accurate count on that and i'm not in a position to get into those details. >> still do not have everyone accounted for, 12-plus hours later, what we're hearing is still unaccounted for? still don't have everyone accounted for? >> we have not completely matched the manifest we've received from amtrak with the
patient or hospital information. the hospitals assign personnel to our emergency operations center last night. that is a very tedious process, dealing with individuals, many of whom obviously, we have no idea who they are until they self identify. we very well could have also had people who did not even check in with us. there's also the possibility that some people who were supposed to be on that train, as many of us always know some people just miss their train or end up taking a different train or something like that so we're not going to get into the hard specifics of who do we have who do we not have until we know for sure. again, we have to be sensitive to people who may have had a family member on that train. i'll come back over. >> can you confirm more bodies have been removed from the wreckage and that responders are working?
>> what i can confirm is what i confirmed earlier, we know there are six deceased. i'm not going to be getting into where they were where they were transported. our medical examiner has given us information, we have six deceased. >> have the conductors been interviewed yet? >> as best information as i know, the conductor was injured to some extent received medical treatment, and is either has or is giving a statement or report to the philadelphia police department. i have no further information about the conductor or any other amtrak personnel. >> is there anything you can give us about the preliminary investigation, preliminarily, what has gone wrong, was there a problem? >> thank you, question is do we have any preliminary information about that curve, and, no just as we've said we're just
getting here but our purpose for being here on site is to collect the perishable evidence the information that will go away with the passage of time. so we're going to go and very methodically start collecting information, what was the train speed, what was the speed limit on that curve, that's part of our investigation, is to very carefully document that. [ inaudible question ] >> why don't we do it this way, if you will when you have a question state your name and affiliation and we'll call on you, that will make it a little more organized. the question is what can we get from those event recorders, and we can get a lot of information. it's my understanding we've already recovered those and they will be read out. we will be looking at those.
we have a forward-facing video camera that's in the head end of the locomotive the front end of the train, so we'll be looking at that. the event recorders themselves can give you information about the speed of the train, throttle applications that the engineer could have made horn bell it can give us a lot. so that will be key to this information, is a good download of those data which is being conducted, will be done this afternoon, i think, so we hope to be able to provide you with information as we get it. >> two last questions. yes? >> any information about the people who have died ages have their families been notified? >> i have no information about that. all we have again, unfortunately, six confirmed deceased. we are still trying to get information about those individuals. again, this is a horrific scene. i just need your patience and
understanding that we're trying to get through that. last question. >> can you paint a picture of the scene? you're doing an investigation, but there's also a rescue looking for potential victims, can you just paint the scene what is going on out there? >> yes, the question is can we paint a picture of what's going on out there. of course it's a devastating scene. there are many first responders out there that are working, they are carefully examining the equipment to see if there are anyone else in the rail cars. so the search and recovery effort will actually take precedence over our accident investigation and we expect to be able to get in there very soon, but we have already started doing things like retrieving the recorders and getting train records for the crews and things like that. just because we haven't gotten a real up close and personal view
with the actual -- we've gone out and examined. we've done a good look over of the scene, but we have not started to very carefully document the wreckage at this point, but we will. >> last question. [ inaudible question ] >> the question is do we have any other factual information from any other recorders at this point about what the train was doing, and the short answer of that is no we do not. we basically, and i want people to try and understand we've just gotten here. you have a lot of questions, we have a lot of questions. we intend to answer many of those questions in the next 24 to 48 hours. thank you. >> all right. thank you all. we'll let you know about any other updates or briefings, certainly, the possibility of that we could provide an update later on this afternoon, no guarantee of that but we'll keep you as informed as we can
based on factual information, not speculation, not supposition. thanks a lot. >> well looks like it's wrapping up right now. mayor nutter and ntsb officials in this news conference on the street there of philadelphia. i want to bring in nbc's rehema ellis, a lot of information to digest rehema. >> reporter: yeah, there was. this was a group of local, state, and federal authorities who came together a large contingent of them walking up to the microphones and went on for about 20 25 minutes telling what they know. as you heard the paymayor, there's many things we know but many things we don't know and we will not speculate. they say they have recovered the black box, it is very much like the flight recorder that is on airplanes. there's something on trains that has been recovered. and it is now in the ntsb center
in delaware. he says it is being analyzed for information. they are looking methodically at this. the ntsb authorities say what they are looking for, these things jose the mechanical investigators are going through this they are looking for information about the tracks performance of the train, electrical power of the train, also train speed and what was the speed of the train going around that curve. in addition, he said there's also a video camera that was in the engineering portion of the train, you know that engine separated completely from the rest of the cars. he said they will be going step by step through each bit of that information. another thing that was pointed out during this news conference for those looking for loved ones, they offered a phone number that people can call. in addition they asked for people who were on that train and managed to self evacuate to contact amtrak authorities. they say this is so critical because they want to get an
accurate account of who was on that train and who wasn't and what condition they might be in. as it was pointed out, sometimes people make reservations for trains but they don't follow through. some people whose names might be on the train manifest may not have made it to that train, so they want an accurate account. again, they said step by step they are going through this information. they hope to provide even more information later on as the day progresses. but the mayor was very specific saying, yes, there are lots of questions, but they are not going to speculate on what the answers are as to why this crash occurred in the first place. >> ray heeehema, i think it's important, authorities want to hear from people that were able to leave on their own from this crash scene, essentially, because they are trying to put together the names on the manifest, as you say, maybe some of the passengers never made it on the train, but they want to get the numbers as close to
perfect as possible to know exactly how many of these people on the manifest were on that train, how many are in the hospital, and they are asking people who survived it who left on their own to call that number, that 1-800-523-9101 number to call that number just to check in and say i was on that train and i got out on my own, as well as family members of folks that are still missing at this hour. rehema, one more thing before i let you go also the mayor of philadelphia also mentioning that the conductor was injured but survived this incident and is being right now or just wrapped up giving his statement to the philadelphia police standard operating procedure. >> absolutely, standard operating procedure. another part will be to do a toxicology examination on him to find out what his state was during the course of this operation of the train, because they want to know every single
detail that they can possibly discern from what was going on at the train at the time of the crash. i should also mention to you they said there is still a search and recovery effort going on here at this crash site that is behind me because they are not sure if they have an accurate account of everyone at this point. so they are continuing to search the train and the crash site to see if there is anyone who may not have been able to make it out on their own. >> nbc's rehema ellis, thank you so much. our breaking news coverage will continue in a few seconds from now. we just heard from philly mayor michael nutter. coming up we're live in philadelphia new york's penn station and capitol hill as details unfold on this deadly crash and amtrak set up that emergency hot line for those affected by the accident for those people that were on the train and were able to safely get out, call them. let them know you're okay. 1-800-523-9101.
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could save. s with six confirmed deceased, we are heartbroken at what has happened here we have not experienced anything like this in modern times and we'll get to the bottom of it but that will take some time. >> that was just moments ago right here on msnbc in addition to six dead the mayor said hundreds have been injured. i want to bring in stephanie gosk live at area frankford hospital in philadelphia. stephanie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose. we're learning as the morning goes on that people were shifted to a lot of different hospitals around the city of philadelphia. here there were 26 but at least four, five as many as six hospitals received patients. when you look at that crash and consider the fact that there are
no seat belts on amtrak trains it's not hard to see how there would be so many injured. at least 140 people were either seen or treated. many of those people who were treated have been released this morning. one doctor at a hospital said that what he saw was what you probably expect to see, a lot of broken bones, a lot of lacerations -- excuse the sound of that subway above me and that what he saw in his experience over the course of the night was that the people who were in the back of the train had less severe injuries and as the cars went up the more severe those injuries became, he was less able to actually communicate with those people. he said one of the patients they received was in critical condition, they tried to revive him when he arrived at at the hospital and he died overnight. >> do we know how many people are in the hospital you're reporting from? >> reporter: 26 people came here and now they have released
seen treated, and released all of them. other hospitals around town we're getting the numbers in dribs and drabs. the numbers aren't firm. we were hearing from different hospitals they might have two patients or a few patients so we don't know exactly what that number is but we do know at least here at this hospital about a mile and a half from the scene, the less severe injuries arrived here things like broken bones and they treated them and they are now on their way. now is the process rehema was talking about, accounting for the people on the manifest and getting names for people treated and having them call in. >> stephanie gosk thank you very much. now i have breaking news out of penn station here in new york city. listen to this nbc station wnbc is confirming a person has been shot and killed by police after trying to attack a female officer with a hammer. the hammer has been recovered at the scene. multiple hammer attacks were reported near union square earlier this week. it's not clear if it's the same
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right the transportation and infrastructure committee hearing on rail safety with testimony from rail experts, joining me now from capitol hill luke russert, good morning. >> good morning. >> so they are switching now their plans because of what happened in philadelphia overnight? >> yeah, it seems to be inappropriate to have a full-on debate about amtrak funding over the larger umbrella of transportation funding over what occurred, but what i can tell you, jose quite ironic this hearing was schedulesd for this morning. earlier in march its current budget was approved for the next four years. however, there's a movement to slash that budget by about $270 million or so and get it down to about $1.13 billion. that ran up and a lot of money had to go for infrastructure improvement and especially those
in the northeast new rail transit as a viable means of transportation. this debate about amtrak has been going on on capitol hill for quite some time almost 30 years or so. amtrak overall has lost money, made money in the northeast corridor. there's been many movements to try to slash the budget or make it completely private. never has actually happened, but what you heard a lot in recent years is look it's become a vital mode of transportation 77% of all transportation between new york and washington and on the northeast corridor is done through rail as opposed to air, so you shouldn't cut anymore because you could have safety problems. so this accident will certainly have an impact, i suspect, on what happens to future amtrak funding. it's also something that's pitted rural lawmakers with urban lawmakers. i will say overall, though jose when you study this issue and think of america as a country of over 300 million people we only
fund amtrak at $1.4 billion a year. the uk 64 million people they put $8 billion a year into their transit system via rail so this is something that's been a problem in the united states there have never been real amounts of funding that people feel is needed to make it a high speed valuable rail. thought it was going to happen in 2009 then the republican resuregence killed that off. expect this incident to play a role. maybe there are budget cuts elsewhere in the system, but when it comes to safety and infrastructure, that cannot happen. >> luke just about 40 minutes ago i think it was, mccarthy came out of the caucus meeting and had something to say. i want to play that for you. >> i want to convey our condolences and our prayers to those who lost their lives in the amtrak crash and those who are recovering from it and we'll make sure to follow through and the difficulties of what caused this. >> also i imagine that now they
will be talking about funding. as you say, luke maybe not today, but this is going to have to be dealt with. >> absolutely going to have to be dealt with and there's going to be a bigger set of hearings in the future jose make no doubt about it about what specifically happened in this incident, what could have been done to prevent it and what sort of funding mechanisms could be tapped so this type of incident does not happen in the future. if for some reason this is directly related to aging infrastructure or some sort of problem related to the train itself, expect that debate to come up. i think will be interesting, though, is that think of who is on that train, senator carper from delaware former member of congress patrick murphy who works for us on msnbc. this is a mode of transportation taken by a lot of these people who work in this building. this one will hit close to home and this by nature when it hits close to home they tend to act more quickly. >> luke russert, thank you, good to see you. more breaking coverage of
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we're getting word from a philadelphia-based company that its ceo is among the missing after that train crash, rachel jacobs is a manhattan resident that just started a new job for an online learning start-up. jacobs is 39 years old and a mother of a 2-year-old son. the company tweeted just moments ago, thank you for your thoughts and prayers for our ceo, rachel jacobs, we're still looking for rachel and hope she will be with her family soon. we'll keep you posted on this. >> tipping to the right, and after a couple seconds, maybe it was half a second i realized
that there's nothing good going to happen here. this train is tipping over. >> it happened literally, in an instant. all of a sudden i felt myself fly up in the train, sit back down, move forward, move back move forward, move back. there was just a loud loud crash. >> all of a sudden it tipped to the left and then violently to the right when it came to its side. unfortunately, i was in the left-hand side of the train, so everyone on this side flew over. i, frankly, landed on my head. it was head first. >> first thing i saw, i looked to my left and there was a woman in the aisle and she had bloodstreaming down her face. >> a lot of blood all over.
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>> i felt like the brakes were hit hard. our car, we were like third from the last slowly started going over to the right. >> come on man. >> i got you, okay? okay? keep crawling okay? >> crawl forward, sir. >> keep crawling. >> we saw it go like that. you could feel it off the track, then we just rolled and rolled. next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit. i was outside and there were people screaming and bleeding. >> good morning, everyone frightening details and images coming after that amtrak tragedy. i'm tamron hall and this is "news nation." we begin with the news conference held by philadelphia's mayor and amtrak officials just a short time ago giving us an update on what investigators know at this point about the derailment. mayor michael nutter confirmed six people are dead and dozens are still being treated at nearby hospitals. investigators have found the train's black box,